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The Bear case, 20 quarters out

Model as of

Each segment is projected from its own operating driver, rolled up into consolidated cash flow, and discounted back to a fair value per share. The assumptions below are editable — change them and every number on this page moves with them.

NOT AN SEC REGISTRANT. Siemens AG left the New York Stock Exchange on 15 May 2014 and deregistered. It has no CIK and files no 10-K, 10-Q, 8-K, 20-F or 6-K; SIEGY is an unsponsored over-the-counter depositary receipt, two of which represent one ordinary share. Every figure in this model comes from Siemens' own quarterly earnings release, a document that describes itself as a Quarterly Statement under Section 53 of the Exchange Rules for the Frankfurter Wertpapierboerse. There is no filing to reconcile against and none is missing. CURRENCY. Siemens reports only in euros and publishes no dollar translation, so every dollar figure here is ours. Each quarter's euro figures are converted at the Federal Reserve H.10 average EUR/USD rate for that fiscal quarter, from the daily DEXUSEU series: 1.07611, 1.08550, 1.07659 and 1.09868 for fiscal 2024; 1.06678, 1.05311, 1.13416 and 1.16854 for fiscal 2025; 1.16415, 1.17015 and 1.16318 for the three reported quarters of fiscal 2026. That is the same basis the series on the stock page are built on - the rate each stored quarter implies matches the H.10 average to within 0.06% - so the model and the page agree. Forward quarters hold the rate at the basis quarter's 1.16318. That is an assumption, and a consequential one: Siemens guides on a COMPARABLE basis, meaning constant currency, so a 5% move in the euro changes this model's revenue by 5% with no operating change at all. Neither the bear nor the bull case attempts to price it. FISCAL CALENDAR. The fiscal year ends 30 September. Every quarter label here is a fiscal label: 2026 Q3 is April to June 2026, 2026 Q4 is July to September 2026, and 2026 Q1 was October to December 2025. The first projected quarter is fiscal 2026 Q4, which Siemens reports on 12 November 2026. SEGMENTS ARE READ, NOT ALLOCATED. Siemens publishes per-segment revenue, profit, EBITDA, free cash flow and net capital employed in every quarterly release. Nothing in this model is an apportionment: the four operating verticals are the four disclosed segment lines, and the fifth is the disclosed Siemens Financial Services line plus the disclosed Reconciliation to Consolidated Financial Statements line, which is what makes the five foot to consolidated revenue exactly. Segment EBITDA is the final column of Siemens' own EBITDA Reconciliation table, which moves group purchase-price-allocation amortisation (EUR 237m in the basis quarter) out of the reconciliation line and into the segments before adding back EUR 708m of segment depreciation, amortisation and impairments - so the PPA is neither double counted nor dropped. No quarter is flagged estimated, because none was computed by us beyond the currency conversion and the addition of two disclosed lines. THE INNOMOTICS RESTATEMENT. Fiscal 2024 Q1 and Q2 are the restated continuing-operations figures, taken from the prior-year columns of the fiscal 2025 Q1 and Q2 releases. Siemens classified Innomotics as a discontinued operation during fiscal 2024: group revenue for fiscal 2024 Q1 was published as EUR 18,412m in February 2024 and as EUR 17,745m in February 2025, a EUR 667m difference. The four segment lines were NOT restated - every prior-year segment column in every later release matches the current-year column of the release twelve months earlier, exactly, across orders, revenue and profit - because Innomotics sat in a separate Portfolio Companies line that has since disappeared. The residual vertical absorbs the difference, which is why it prints $516m (EUR 480m) in fiscal 2024 Q1 rather than the EUR 1,147m the original release implied once its separate Portfolio Companies line is added back. THE BIGGEST THING THIS MODEL DOES NOT DO. On 12 November 2025 Siemens announced its intention to deconsolidate Siemens Healthineers by transferring 30% of the shares to Siemens' own shareholders, giving up its controlling majority in a stake it puts at circa 67%; on 17 April 2026 it said the vote would be prepared for the annual general meeting in February 2027; and the basis release quotes the chief financial officer saying binding tax decisions have been received and the spin-off can proceed as planned. If it completes, 28.7% of the revenue in this model's first projected quarter leaves the group. It is not modelled as a base shift, for three reasons: the transaction is unapproved and needs two shareholder votes, every series on the stock page behind this model is consolidated, and deleting the revenue without crediting shareholders with the Healthineers shares they would receive - no exchange ratio has been published - would misstate value rather than correct it. It is the single largest caveat on this page and it is a reason to treat the Healthineers vertical as a placeholder for a decision, not a forecast. SEASONALITY. Applied to the four operating verticals, not to the residual. Siemens' fiscal fourth quarter, July to September, is its year-end delivery quarter: group revenue rose 10.1% sequentially into it in fiscal 2024 and 10.6% in fiscal 2025, in euros, both years. A centred four-quarter moving-average test over the eleven quarters supports it outright for Smart Infrastructure (signal 0.141 against a worst window spread of 0.015) and Siemens Healthineers (0.159 against 0.014). For Digital Industries (0.115 against 0.089) and Mobility (0.124 against 0.086) the signal exceeds the spread but not comfortably, because eleven quarters give only two observations per quarter index and Digital Industries' window contains an automation destocking cycle rather than a calendar. Factors are applied to both anyway, on the stated group-wide mechanism rather than on the shape alone, and they are the weakest-estimated numbers in the model; without them the model's fiscal 2026 Q4 lands 2.1% below the guidance-implied quarter, with them 0.2% below consensus. The residual line carries none: eliminations and divestment gains have no delivery season. CAPEX. A uniform 3.1% of revenue on the four operating verticals and zero on the residual. Siemens discloses no segment capital expenditure; group additions to intangible assets and property, plant and equipment were EUR 636m in the basis quarter and EUR 1,655m over nine months, about 2.8-3.1% of revenue, so the group total is right and the split inside it is ours. Corporate overhead is set to zero deliberately: Siemens' central costs - Innovation at EUR (181)m, Governance at EUR +44m, group PPA amortisation at EUR (238)m and eliminations - are already inside the fifth vertical, and charging them again at the corporate line would double count them. The tax rate of 25.0% is the disclosed nine-month effective rate, EUR 2,304m over EUR 9,241m. FREE CASH FLOW. The FCF line inside this model is the projection engine's own construction - EBITDA less capex less tax - so it carries no working capital and no cash interest, and should not be read against Siemens' own figure. Siemens reported EUR 4,155m of free cash flow from continuing operations in the basis quarter, $4,833m, against this model's $3,090m for the first projected quarter. The difference is working capital and cash taxes, not a disagreement about the business. BUYBACKS ARE NOT MODELLED. Siemens bought EUR 2,656m of treasury shares in the first nine months of fiscal 2026, nearly double the EUR 1,455m of a year earlier, and the ADR-equivalent diluted count has fallen 2.2% across the eleven quarters shown, from 1,599.9m to 1,564.1m. The engine values the group and divides by a fixed count, so continued buybacks are upside this page does not show. NO ANALYST ROWS. Siemens is covered against its Frankfurt listing in euros per ordinary share. No dated, attributable dollar-per-ADR price target could be sourced, and converting a euro target on the ordinary share would be our arithmetic rather than an analyst's call, so the stock page carries none and this model is not compared with one.

SIEGY forward model
Horizon
Fair value per share $100.14 −36% against $155.30
Terminal-year revenue $105.89B last four projected quarters
Enterprise value $167.49B $43.91B explicit + $123.58B terminal

The two things that went wrong in a record quarter get worse instead of better. Siemens Healthineers is 28% of consolidated revenue and has already had its own fiscal 2026 growth guide cut to 3.5-4.0% from 4.5-5.0% on what Siemens calls a structural, not cyclical, change in Chinese diagnostics; Mobility's profit fell 2% and its margin fell from 9.3% to 8.6% on 6% revenue growth; and currency took a full percentage point off both order and revenue growth. Take a point a quarter off growth, two points off margin, and let a conglomerate exit at 10.0x rather than the 15.85x the tape pays now, and fair value is $100.14 - 39.4% below the traded price. That is not a demand collapse: revenue still grows, at about 5% a year rather than 8%, and 73.8% of the remaining value is still the terminal.

SIEGY REVENUE MODEL

Latest: $26.16B (2031Q3E)

Period Value
2024Q1 $19.09B
2024Q2 $20.05B
2024Q3 $20.35B
2024Q4 $22.86B
2025Q1 $19.58B
2025Q2 $20.81B
2025Q3 $21.98B
2025Q4 $25.04B
2026Q1 $22.28B
2026Q2 $23.12B
2026Q3 $24.19B
2026Q4E $26.54B
2027Q1E $23.55B
2027Q2E $25.06B
2027Q3E $24.79B
2027Q4E $27.15B
2028Q1E $24.04B
2028Q2E $25.55B
2028Q3E $25.25B
2028Q4E $27.61B
2029Q1E $24.42B
2029Q2E $25.93B
2029Q3E $25.61B
2029Q4E $27.97B
2030Q1E $24.72B
2030Q2E $26.24B
2030Q3E $25.91B
2030Q4E $28.27B
2031Q1E $24.97B
2031Q2E $26.49B
2031Q3E $26.16B
Scenarios

Where each case comes from

Bear case — primary sources

The primary sources this case is built from — filings, calls and posts. Where they are claims by an interested party rather than disclosures, every number in the Bear column is what happens if they are taken at face value.

Base case — primary sources

The primary sources this case is built from — filings, calls and posts. Where they are claims by an interested party rather than disclosures, every number in the Base column is what happens if they are taken at face value.

Bull case — primary sources

The primary sources this case is built from — filings, calls and posts. Where they are claims by an interested party rather than disclosures, every number in the Bull column is what happens if they are taken at face value.

Valuation

From cash flow to fair value

The published model, discounted at 8.0% a year with an exit multiple of 10.0x on EBITDA. The horizon and sliders above do not change this walk.

Present value of free cash flow, 20 quarters$43.91B
Terminal-year revenue$105.89B
Terminal-year EBITDA$18.16B
Exit multiple, on EBITDA10.0x
Terminal value$181.58B
Discounted at 8.0% a year, terminal value becomes$123.58B
Share of enterprise value from the terminal74%
Enterprise value$167.49B
Net cash−$10.87B
Equity value$156.62B
Shares1.56B
Fair value per share$100.14
Against the deployed price of $155.30, as of −36%

An exit EV/EBITDA multiple on the last four projected quarters, discounted at 8%. The multiple is the argument: 79.5% of base-case enterprise value sits in the terminal, and every 1x of exit multiple is worth $10.62 a share. At $165.32 the ADR carries a market capitalisation of $258.6bn and, adding EUR 9,342m ($10,866m) of industrial net debt, an enterprise value of about $269.4bn - 15.85x the $17,005m of consolidated EBITDA Siemens disclosed over the four quarters to 30 June 2026. The base case exits at 13.0x, a deliberate de-rating from that: five years out an electrification cycle should not still be paying a premium, and the tape's multiple is flattered anyway because consolidated EBITDA includes 100% of Siemens Healthineers while Siemens owns about 67% of it. Run the base case backwards and the exit multiple that justifies today's price is 12.87x, which is why fair value lands within 1% of the tape. The bear exits at 10.0x, the bull at 16.0x.

Read the other way round: at $155.30 the market is paying 17.0x terminal-year EBITDA, holding every other assumption on this page fixed. That is the number to argue about.

Quarter by quarter

The projected path

The published model's 20 quarters. The horizon and sliders above do not change this table.

Quarter Digital IndustriesSmart InfrastructureMobilitySiemens HealthineersSiemens Financial Services and reconciliation Revenue YoY EBITDA Capex FCF R40 PV of FCF
2026 Q4E $5.97B$8.15B$4.29B$7.61B$527M $26.54B +6% $4.35B $805M $2.66B +16 $2.61B
2027 Q1E $5.37B$7.17B$4.00B$6.50B$512M $23.55B +6% $3.85B $711M $2.36B +16 $2.27B
2027 Q2E $5.62B$7.82B$4.14B$6.99B$499M $25.06B +8% $4.13B $757M $2.53B +19 $2.39B
2027 Q3E $5.95B$7.84B$3.83B$6.68B$487M $24.79B +2% $4.13B $748M $2.53B +13 $2.35B
2027 Q4E $6.18B$8.57B$4.35B$7.57B$476M $27.15B +2% $4.52B $820M $2.77B +12 $2.52B
2028 Q1E $5.54B$7.52B$4.04B$6.47B$465M $24.04B +2% $3.99B $723M $2.45B +12 $2.18B
2028 Q2E $5.78B$8.17B$4.18B$6.96B$456M $25.55B +2% $4.27B $769M $2.62B +12 $2.29B
2028 Q3E $6.12B$8.17B$3.87B$6.65B$447M $25.25B +2% $4.26B $759M $2.62B +12 $2.25B
2028 Q4E $6.34B$8.91B$4.39B$7.54B$439M $27.61B +2% $4.65B $831M $2.86B +12 $2.41B
2029 Q1E $5.68B$7.80B$4.07B$6.43B$431M $24.42B +2% $4.10B $732M $2.53B +12 $2.08B
2029 Q2E $5.92B$8.46B$4.21B$6.92B$424M $25.93B +1% $4.38B $778M $2.70B +12 $2.18B
2029 Q3E $6.25B$8.45B$3.89B$6.61B$417M $25.61B +1% $4.36B $768M $2.69B +12 $2.14B
2029 Q4E $6.47B$9.19B$4.41B$7.50B$410M $27.97B +1% $4.76B $839M $2.94B +12 $2.29B
2030 Q1E $5.79B$8.04B$4.09B$6.40B$404M $24.72B +1% $4.19B $740M $2.59B +12 $1.98B
2030 Q2E $6.02B$8.71B$4.22B$6.88B$398M $26.24B +1% $4.47B $785M $2.76B +12 $2.07B
2030 Q3E $6.36B$8.68B$3.90B$6.57B$393M $25.91B +1% $4.45B $775M $2.75B +12 $2.02B
2030 Q4E $6.57B$9.44B$4.42B$7.45B$387M $28.27B +1% $4.84B $846M $3.00B +12 $2.16B
2031 Q1E $5.88B$8.25B$4.09B$6.36B$382M $24.97B +1% $4.26B $746M $2.64B +12 $1.86B
2031 Q2E $6.12B$8.93B$4.23B$6.84B$377M $26.49B +1% $4.54B $792M $2.81B +12 $1.95B
2031 Q3E $6.45B$8.90B$3.90B$6.53B$372M $26.16B +1% $4.52B $781M $2.80B +12 $1.91B

Every row is projected. A year-over-year change is shown only where the quarter it compares against exists — an em dash means there is no comparable quarter, not a flat year.

Track record

Model revisions

Assumptions are marked to reality as each quarter prints. Every change is appended here, with the fair value the model produced at the time, so the model's own history stays visible.

DateFair value thenNote
2026-09-01 $166.77 Initial model. Five verticals - Digital Industries, Smart Infrastructure, Mobility, Siemens Healthineers and the Siemens Financial Services plus reconciliation residual - which are Siemens' own disclosed reporting lines, taken from the Overview of Segment figures and EBITDA Reconciliation tables of eleven consecutive quarterly earnings releases and converted from euros at each fiscal quarter's Federal Reserve H.10 average. They foot to disclosed consolidated revenue and to disclosed consolidated EBITDA to within EUR 1m of rounding in all eleven quarters. Base case reproduces the guided year: fiscal 2026 Q4 revenue of EUR 23,050m against a guidance-implied EUR 22.9-23.0bn and a consensus EUR 23,105m, and a full fiscal 2026 of EUR 82,738m, about 7% comparable growth against a guided 6-8%.